I believe what Nemont is saying is that although some people have seen and taken some great bulls in the area, that is still the exception, not the norm.

I've seen a beautiful 7x7 bull that had to be pushing 400" in the breaks, of course that was when I was hunting with my dad andwe onlyhad a single cow tag between us. [&:]

I've also seen plenty of raghorns and several 5x5 and smaller 6x6 with thin narrow racks that wouldn't even go 250" and a few nice 6x6 with good mass and spread that would get in the 325" range. Other than that 1 huge bull I'm not sure that I've seen any over 325ish in many years of being out there during rifle season.

Elk aren't very predictable to begin with and throw in heavy hunting pressure and you just don't know from year to year. If you hunt hard and get off the beaten path there is a chance to see a 350" class bull. BUT, I wouldn't pass on him thinking there will surely be another 3 or 4 of them around the next corner to choose from. I would guess the average bull taken out there is still well under 300".

It is pretty rough country and although you are at a lower elevation there are still plenty of ups and downs to deal with and you can put some miles on your boots really quick. Horses seem like they would be good to have out there, but I've seen folks ride right by me at less than 100 yards when I was wearing flourescent orange and they never had a clue that I was even there. (and I was walking steady, not hiding in a patch of brush). Horses are good at getting you back in the rough spots and packing out the end result of your hunt, but you need to still put some shoe leather into it yourself IMO.

That's my 2 cents. Nathan