No sir, We just learned from grandpa how to get them pigees to keep a commin back ever weekend we go to tha ranch...he makes his own grandpas special blend and we use it when he whups it up...I am sure he can tell you all how to make it if you ask him...he goes by Keno....Did you hear he fell off a ladder a couple a weeks ago....woooeee he was a lucky he didnt get hurt