Yea i think im gonna have to set up below them this time. It' s possible to get above them. See i normally head straight up the hill from my uncle' s house untill i get on top then i will work my way to the right to get above where they roost. And last time i hit the trail at an angle to bust up the birds. But for some reason now they wont come up on top so i think my best bet may be to set up about 50 yards below that little knoll theyre on and see what happens. I appreciate your response to this. tryin to get my best gameplan for my last time out. ( fingers crossed).