its kindve hard hunting with friends because there thoughts of a big mature buck and our thoughts of a big maturebuck is way different and so we can only hunt with honest trustworthy friends who respect our property and respect our management rules...........just last year we had this happen, one of our friends from nebraska came down and shot a year and a half old 10 point that scored around 80-100". he said that when it came running by his stand it looked huge[:'(] he then said he didnt want it because it was so small,and thats why he wont hunt on our land again![:@]