The Submoa shoot less then .99 groups . I have looked at test targets from both submoa and regular vanguards...the submoas were one ragged hole in all the cases I looked at. I think they are done in a machine rest andalmost positive about that. I know that Mr Yamaoke has signed a lot of darn targets on the ones I see and he would have one sore shoulder if he fired all the vanguards that leave that plant. I think the barrelled action is then shipped to California and the stock is put on . They put a dollop of glass bed on the front action lug. They can shoot lights out is all I know. The action is one of the strongest bolt actions out there and simple to field strip. The trigger is horrible...I called Weatherby about that and asked if they could do something about the creep and they said for 50 dollars + or minus they would adjust it but no guarantees on the creep. That was not a good enough answer so I ordered the Timney SS replacement trigger. It came from the factory with a 3lb pull measured on my RCBS trigger gauge. 30 rounds or so later the trigger started dropping in weight and then the safety became inoperable. The batch of triggers from timney either had no heatreating on the sears or the job was not done properly. They promptly replaced the trigger. My experience with Vanguard/Howa triggers has been anyone that a gunsmith did was just OK but the Timney makes it feel like a another gun. I know 200 posters will come on here and tell me how that can't be but that is the facts after owning a lot of Vanguards/Howa 1500's.