When all else fails, this calls for drastic measures. I spent 2 1/2 hours the other day tuning. I suggest trying everything mone the rest in all directions something stupid, and if it does something that doesn' t look good then you have something, you can move it stupid the other way. Don' t be afraid to do stupid things so that you can learn how your bow is working. I sugest that you start by moving the rest as close to the bow as you can get to start with.