Check oute bay for used and new phoenix. I purchased a NIB phoenix for 305.00 plus 20.00 s/h (in early jan.). I have seen them go for more money and i have seen used ones go for less. Last month a NIB phoenix was never sold and its asking price was 300.00. If you are interested in a vixen they have a NIB vixen for 259.00 plus 20.00 s/h and its a buy it now price on e bay.