I' ve stayed out of this thread but I think I' ll add something finally. Mr. John B 45, you stated earlier, " had very little problems keeping them inside a 10 inch circle at 600, 750, 850, 1000 yards" .

I got to thinking about this statement and did some checking. Here are quotes of what I found. In regards to 1000 yard groups shot at Camp Perry where scopes are allowed. " The record for the 1000-yard match where scopes are allowed is 200-15X; 15 shots inside the 10-inch diameter 10 ring; the others inside the 20-inch 10 ring." Further in regards to benchrest competition. " At 1000-yard benchrest matches, the typical group size of each relay' s winner, and the match winner, is 8 to 11 inches." " And remember that 1000-yard benchrest groups that set records are the smallest fired, not the average." " Don' t forget that Skip Talbots few-inch group with a 50 BMG followed a
24-inch one. Rifles don' t shoot their smallest groups all the time, just rarely."

Now you expect me to believe that you and your friends with thier hunting rifles " had very little problems" doing better than benchrest shooters best groups?
You shouldn' t have a TV show! YOU should be building benchrest rifles and teaching those poor shots how it is really so easy to do!