eldeguello,You Da Man.Thanks for the very detailed information.And thanks to everybody else also.Looks like another set of dies toadd tothe mess on my bench.That 4064 is kinda like Castor oil good for anything ain't it...LOL Now one more " To crimp or not to crimp that is the question" I will be using brand new un-fired brass.I almost always pick up new brass when I start loading for a new rifle or caliber unless I already load for that caliber.