awesome post...thanks Matt...i shoot them just for fun with the buddys and to practice my skills....but who wants to shoot 8s all day?? we dont get competative or anything...but like to tease each other a little, and noone wants to look bad...ive never had troubles hanging with anyone ive shot with(my buddys) but this post should gimme some extra edge...the viper sights already planned before reading this should help, and carrying binocs will really help..and i know i gotta work on my yardage estimation...i got good after a couple shoots, but i know right now, just by not shooting them for a while now, i already lost what i had...