Never used an expandable, don't trust them on that one in a lifetime shot that I have hunted for for so long. I used Muzzys all my life till 2 seasons ago when I tried the Shuttle Tite Point at Len's advise. I shoot it in 125 grain and it flies like a broadhead. The first deer I shot with it was a 35 yrd shot that I hit the spine and had a complete pass through shooting an Allegence. It's a keeper. Nothing wrong with Muzzy IMO but you know how we like to try other things and when I did I liked what I saw.