Hey Bobby I know what you are talking about.What I usaly have done is get in there zone 50-70 yds and act like I'm tearing up their living room.Sometimes this works sometimes I get busted.I do know if you can get the p*ssed off they will come running.Another thing is trying a decoy and cow calling out of a set-up or blind.Also just raking a tree realy loudly works also.
Them elk at the willows are tough customers,I think that would be a good challange for elknut,and since he is from Idaho he could do the calling and you and me could do the shooting.
BBJ
PS Next time your through your inveted over for a beer.If ya don't drink beer well you can have water and I will have the beer.LOL