Yeah seems like the shotgun hunters take a huge toll on the deer heard around here too...All they do is huge deer drives and they kill everything that moves...Young buck,doe,fawn, it doesnt matter to them, if it's brown it's down. I have some public land nearby and some private land I can hunt but the bucks never have a chance to get real big because of all the pressure from the local shotgun hunters. People in this area have never heard ofQDM that's for sure. They'd rather kill a year and a half old 4 pointer than a 160" 5year old buck....It's shame, we have the genes and the food here to grow giant deer but they dont have the chance to live that long on 99.9% of the land around here.