Yeah FowlBuck makes me pissed too because i always see them,until hunting season. i've passed on a few decent ones the last couple years including a decent 8 pointer. there are so many big buck out there its hard totake a decent one when there are monsters. they seem to come outthe last week or so of october. two years ago my buddy shot a nice9 pointer out of my stand. i can't get mad at him though because he gives me first dibs on the best stand in our area. the main problem its so hard to take that big double drop and other big buck out there is because it's mostly field, not much tree line or woods.as far as iknow those two real big ones in the videohaven't beenseen. i do hunt the area in the video so i will have a chance at some nice ones if they cooperate. welli'm out peace.