LOL... Don't know if you knew it or not (you must not have since you had to ask ), but I kinda used to be viewed as the local Predator expert around here... just run a search with "predator" and my user name and you'll have all the info you need. Look specifically for one entitled "My answer to Davidmil"; I think that one should have the answer you're looking for Some of the better threads are banished to cyberspace now, as we used to really have some good camo discussions around here