Jeff isn't the only one goin comando on suburban deer. I have one stand that you don't need a light once your 40yrds in the woods, because of the street lights of nearby neighbors. Freaked out one of my hunting buddies, he thought I was joking. He said he sat there for about an hour thinking " He's pulling my leg. He has to be joking" ..... until the deer started filtering through. Ended up with a nice 7 ptr. Now affectionately called the "Street Light Stand".