thanx briman i will try that...and i love shooting cans and swingers and such...just its winter and wet out and not to much fun to be out shooting in for long periods of time...and the nearest place we can do so is an hr and a half away at a friends camp...my dad shoots a mkII...i liked the feel of the browning better..and i shoot a mkII before and i didnt like the way it felt shooting either..to me the browning is a dream to shoot...i will be in good shape if i can tighten the groups up a bit...when i got the gun i couldnt keep 50rds on a paper plate at like 15yds...now im getting out with it alot more and my dad has the ruger so he can shoot cheaply too instead of the normal 9mm or 38s that he usually shoots..he loves his 22 now and shoots about 2-3 times a week i recently found out! i shoot about once a week..i guess they will come with time..i think i can dryfire mine..the firing pin hits the top of the barrel..you can see the mark from when i did it after cleaning...i just dont like to because i dont want to have to replace it..i shoot about 200+rds when i do get out shooting so im sure i will find the key to tightening the groups..i got them on the paper myself!...just trying to get ahead a little..thanx