Buck442 You said you noticed no hump in the draw and you felt creep. This was the complete opposite of my experience. I did notice a hump right before breakover and right before the hump the draw seemed to stack up a bit, but like you it hasnt been enough to change my mind about the bow. Ill also agree with you that the guardian felt very stable in my hand compared to the allegian and tribute. To me it felt much longer than what it really is. As far as arm slap goes slap an sts on that thing and that wont happen again. The guardian I shot was equiped with one and it was unbelievable at the shot. Cant wait to get mine. Funny you mentioned robinhoods. Ive busted many shafts but only had 3 perfect robinhoods where the arrow was completly in the other and wasnt coming out, but the weird thing is. 2 were with a justice and the other with a liberty and all with goldtip arrows. Maybe bowtech and goldtips are my lucky setup as well....lol.