For years I shot Muzzy 3 blade 100 gr. I just switched this year to G5 Montecs. I really like them. They are unmatched in strength because of there 1 piece construction, they shoot well,andare really easy to clean. Expandables usually have great flight characteristics and good penetration as long as you don't whack that shoulder. After reading the posts on this thread I'm gonna try the Slick Tricks.