Thanks Reb! My best is still in the freezer, he's 24lbs, has a 10 1/2 beard, and 1 1/2 spurs. Both taken spring of 05. I got to find someone around here that can freeze dry the heads. also my son's hen he shot in the youth season in 06 is next to him. She had a 8 1/2 inch beard. I want to do both of them standing side by side, like if they were a mating pair, maybe with one with it's wings outstretched. I may be a wrench by day, but I dream of deer and turkey by nite!