Thomas, I don't think that is how doe girl feels, I think what she is trying to say is that's what the conclusion is that sproulman is saying. Thats why she said "why the stigma" Did you read all of old sproulmans post? He made a few that is rubbing some people wrong and I think doe girl is responding to him. Or there could be the chance that since your post is the first I have read this morning that I am reading it wrong.