my buck of a life time would be at least a 35 point non-typical but around here, a nice symetrical 8 or 10 point is VERY nice, at least in my area of PA. unfortunatly i have not been able to arrow one yet.i had a nice 8 standing 10 yds in front of me but he wouldnt step out from behind the brush.[:@] ill get him next year......