I second that. Its all in the placement of the shot. The 2 deer that we got this year where with a .270 and last years was too and all 3 dropped dead in their tracks. Last years was a head shot, and the one my son shot was in the neck and broke it, and the one my daughter got was a rib shot that got the heart. The funny thing is that even though it was a rib shot, the deer didnt bleed much. Got lucky on that one and there was hardly any ruined meat.