cayugad... That's what I was originally planning on.. but my can of 2f 777 is about gone.. and was considering picking up something else for us to try out. I can always go back to the 2f 777.. since I know that load will work. Was originally considering the APP/Shockey's Gold.. but after reading all the negatives by you and others.. I think I'll save my $$$. Another one I was considering trying was the Goex Pinnacle.. as we have it on clearance at work for $16 a can. But I thought I remembered reading somewhere that it was the same stuff as APP? Not for sure though. Would really like to try some Black Mag3.. but I can't seem to find it locally.