<font size=2>1. I skirted nothing for you. I've laid out my position many MANY times on different forums...for you. For that, you chase your tail, pretend that I never answered you, and lied about me to try to get me to engage you in your "issues". You need some help.</font id=size2>
Uh, yeah, you did. You haven't answered a single question on your opinion on crossbows so far. What you may or may not have said on another forum, whether I or anyone else read it and whether we exactly remember it, or you, thats NOT an answer in any way, shape or form.
<font size=2>2. You, TxCowboy, and BOWFANATIC have already made up your minds that the ONLY reason to oppose crossguns in archery seasons is selfishness. You're minds are closed, and the name-calling begun. Why entertain you three further? Is there a point to it?</font id=size2>
A lie as defined by you. I ASKED if that was the reason, never did I say it. Please reread and edit that lie.
<font size=2>When you get to the point where you understand why archery seasons were started, by whom they were started, and the underlying premise of them, maybe you'll get it. When you start to understand who has fought for decades for your right to bowhunt, and who has conributed nothing to the equation, maybe you'll understand. I doubt it though.
Until then you hang you hat on catering to the least common denominator, and making everything as easy as possible. And you call others selfish? That's laughable at best.
When you think that the sole purpose of archery seasons is to let you grab something with a string, go into the woods, and kill a critter with a sharp stick flying through the air...don't start calling anyone else selfish. You're the case-in-point.</font id=size2>
Humble me. Again I ask - what did Mathews or Bowtech do for archery season ? Is that part of the equation, who did what and for whom ?
<font size=2>SC...
I understand how you got to the point that you are now. From what I've seen of you over the past year, you somehow got the impression that hunting with a longbow would be "cool". Maybe it was one too many Fred Bear videos or something? You started pounding your chest, talking about how you had "given up the training wheels", sold your compounds, and "committed yourself" to being a "traditional bowhunter". You got a longbow, shot it for a while, and headed to the woods. After just one month, and having taken no deer, it didn't suit you anymore. Suddenly, the "en vougue" of trad lost its shine and you, admittedly, went with something you refer to as easier.</font id=size2>
I bought and shot my first longbow, a Thunder Mountain Cougar in 1995. In 1998 I think I started getting ready for bowseason early summer. First few shots with my compound were dead on - and it ust wasn't that fun anymore. I shot more in the early 1990's than most people have in 20 years. Contracting and single shooting a bow was the only thing I did. Anyway, a friend of mine shoots a BW, and I strated shooting it some. And I found it very challenging. OL Adcock made me a longbow and I got it in January 2001. I shot it all that spring and summer and by fall wasn't consistant enough to go hunting. So I bought another compound and hunted with that in 2001. This year I sold the compound and yes, I "committed" myself to shooting the longbow. I shoot well enough in my eyes to hunt, and the first day in CO I hit a limb and missed a big elk. I hunted semi-hard (between work and kids) in Arkansas and didn't even get a shot. So 4 weeks ago before my Kansas hunt (I waited two years for that tag) I borrowed the HC compound I started this thread off with, tuned it and took it to KS. I switched between it and my longbow, but the last few days used my longbow only. I was shooting every night in the basement of my friends and was shooting better than either of them do. And yep, I again had my arrow hit a limb and missed a big KS buck. VERY frustrating, because I have spent two years practicing, getting my equipment ready, ASKING questions on the LW, and failing to fill my tags. I have goals, I make them every year, and this year I had 4 and have failed in 2 of them.
So you see, you DON'T understand, not anymore than I do your anti-crossbow sentiment, but I DO answer questions when asked of me. Brose the BBS archives and LW and you too could read what I just wrote.
<font size=2>" You're not unique. I see your kind every year by the boat-load. Hollier-that thou trad shooter one day...compound-toting trad-basher the next. You float of the winds of whatever suits your needs and damn the rest of us for not agreeing with you. The guys that I shoot and hunt with, compound and trad alike, just sit back and laugh at you and your type. "</font id=size2>
My kind ? You haven't a clue Jason. I hunt with one BW shooter, my Dad (a Q2 shooter) and my uncle, a crossbow shooter. Trad basher ? Explain that one or edit it please, as it again follows what you consider to be the defintion of a LIE.
<font size=2>In the course of this, you somehow became a self-proclaimed expert on hunting with a trad bow. You seem to think that your fruitless month in the woods negates the experiences of people like Paul Brunner, who has 45 years as a bowhunter under his belt. How? I have no idea.</font id=size2>
Age is wisdom to some, to be respected to be sure. but it doesn't make everyone older than me right. ANYBODY pro-abortion is wrong, and I can prove it through pogical and reasonable and FACTUAL discussions. Whatever you are referencing, be it kill/wound/miss threads or crossbow thread or how a longbow/recurve is more difficult threads - you will rarely if EVER see me post my opinion without something to back it up. Opinions hold absolutely NO weight in a debate or discussion.
<font size=2>What I do find funny is that you only came to this great conclusion of yours after you bombed out, like a druggy on the SAT test, at hunting with a longbow. Look...you want to give up the longbow and go back to a compound...fine. Who cares other than you? I hunt with guys who make the P&Y equipment rules look like a Model T, and I couldn't care less. I hunt with guys who's idea of fair chase is 300 yards accross a bean field with a 7mm...so what? They hunt their way, I hunt mine, and we don't think any less of each other for it. You're the only one who has made your own equipment choice such a massive internet issue. I don't know if its some sort of unfounded guilt on your part, or your just looking for a way to bow out of your previous "training wheels" remarks.</font id=size2>
Yes, I am 0 for 2 so far, I have failed in what I am trying to accomplish. Is that waht you are referring ? Today I shoot a longbow Jason, and if I cannot kill animals with it to MY ethical standards, then I will buy me a compound and hunt that way and so be it. I have little problems in admitting that I am not good enough to be hunting with it. Is this a bad thing ?
And if I become disabled, or in some way need to use a crossbow, I'll do that do and thank whoever in Arkansas made it possible for me to do that.
<font size=2>When you first "found God" in the form of a longbow, you came accross as hollier-than-thou, and I didn't much care for it then. When you fell flat on your face and went searching for a way out, you still came across as hollier-than thou...and I still don't care for it.</font id=size2>
What ?
<font size=2>You can vent your unfounded guilt at me all you want by calling me names and lieing about me. That's fine. When you get your own personal issues sorted out, let me know. Until then, you might want to watch those "hollier than thou" and "selfish" rocks you're throwing, because your glass house is becoming a total wreck.</font id=size2>
Question - What rocks ? Were my posts not in the way of questions more than accusations ? I edited the one post as I admitted I was wrong. What then am I throwing to break glass ? My arguments are quite solid I think, from "drawing the string" issue to "accessories", to "who has done more or less for hunting seasons" to "selfishness".
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Edited by - Stealthycat on 11/23/2002 18:01:55