Well, that's just about all the information I need to turn my head away from them. I was holding out and quite frankly am tired of the lies. It's a damn shame too, because those are damn fine bows. I still just can't believe that if Kevin KNOWS he's illegally using the cam that he would continue to do so. That's dumb, even given everything else that's taken place. I don't mind telling ya'll I am EXTREMELY disappointed. [&o]