I have recovered several partitions including two 200gr 8mm bullets out of my 8mmremmag from lung shots on elk.Even with no major bones struck,they did not exit.They are an excellent bullet,but there are new bullets on the market that simply perform better.I use the 180gr tsx out of my 300ultramags,but only because they group so wellin my rifles.If the 168gr tsx grouped better,I would be using them instead.You don't need heavy bullets if you use the right bullets,and lighter bullets offer less recoil,anda flatter trajectory at hunting ranges.