Redclub, Both the ramp and the sight are significantly lower than the ones that came on the gun. Together, they are way lower, which is needed with the Lyman Peep sight, especially for shooting the conicals. I kind of just guessed on it and I think I hit it right on the money.

Actually, I think someone else pointed out the ramp at one time when I first started lurking here and then I asked UC and he pointed out that exact sight. Based on how it shot 300 gr saboted bullets, I decided to change the ramp and sight.

Thanks for doing some comparison shooting Dave. I believe that shooting the peep with the real small aperature on the back is a very precise combination, but it is definitely ONLY for target shooting. I will do some testing later using the larger aperature and then also with no aperature. I amagine my shooting will be similar to yours with those set ups.