JRW I haven't taken any thing personal. You did state your side very well and I am sorry that I may have offended you I should not have resorted to that. However you think you have won the debate and I think I won. I have recieved 3 e-mails from people here that didn't post on this thread supporting me as I am sure you too have recieved these e-mail's in your favor. Good luck JRW I too am glad that some one like you is a hunter but I know we will probably never agree on every thing but hey who will.