Sorry to hear you are having trouble getting yours to group well Herman. All I can tell you is that your experience is the exception that I have encountered and not the rule. Most people I know who own one report much better out of the box accuracy on average than they get with a Ruger, Winchester or Remington. Not saying that you don't sometimes get a good shooter with them or that they can't be made to shoot well but it's been my experience that it's much more hit or miss these days. And you very often have to work on their guns to make them shoot well. I have a Tikka in 25-06 and it will shoot 117 grain Hornady ammo amazingly well for a straight factory firearm. Three shots will generally land as below. And allmy friends and family that own a T-3 have all foundtheirs to be just as accurate.