You are the first person I have heard of who has been able to get big conicals to shoot well with APP. I tried 80,85,90,95, 100, 105 and 110 grains of loose APP and never got better than a 4-5 inch group at 50 yards with a no excuse 460 grain bullet. So, at least in my gun (an Omega), it doesn't appear to work well. Hopefully 777 will throw them better in my gun. Yes, I could get a refund, but I am still hoping to find the right combo to get them to shoot well.