Like I said," ya gotta luv it". Hey dawg, if you read my post you'll notice I wasn't asking for help. I stated that I hunt dark to dark (respect) in the cold of Nov. in beautiful Alberta.(respect) Alot of hunters talk of hunting the rut this way but few actually do. You couldn't hang long enough to teach me anything although I appreciate the thought. Canadian deer have no equal and that truly demands RESPECT. Have a good one.