I believe in the 'floating thing' but sometimes (most of the time) it's hard to get that far. I tend to hold the pin just below the center. I can't get it any closer. I pull the trigger at that point or try to jam the pin up and pull at the same time. Neither have a good result. I've been dealing with this crap for 5 years now. I've tried the back tension release and sure enough, you can make them go off just like a trigger if you want. It sucks. I think the solution is to go buy a new bow and that will motivate me to make sure and spend the time to get through this. I have success killing deer but on the range it's a bit embarrassing. Thanks for the input guys.

cb