WITH RIFLE AND PISTOL RELOADING IT TAKES ALOT OF LOADING TO PAY FOR THE STARTUP BUT IF YOU ENJOY SHOOTING THEN IT IS WORTH ITS MONEY AS FOR SHOTGUN LOADING I BOUGHT A MEC GRABER THIS YEAR WHEN I PURCHASED IT I FIGURED IT WOULD TAKE 7000 SHELLS TO PAY FOR ITS SELF IF I SHOT WIN. AA OR REMINGTON STS TRAP LOADS HOWEVER IF YOU SHOOT CHEAP SHELL FROM WAL-MART $3.27 A BOX YOU REALLY DONT SAVE WITH SHOTGUNS IT COSTS AROUND $2.80 TO LAOD A BOX GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DECISION AS A SIDE NOTE IT IS A GREAT SATISFACTION TO HARVEST GAME WITH HOME ROLLED SHELLS