Well after a lot of questions were answered by cayugad i ordered the lyman trade rifle in 54 caliber he suggested and it sure is a nice flinter. It just came in today and im very ecited about it. The wood has a real nice dark look to it and it feels wonderful to shoulder. The mechanical work is great also. Now i just cant wait to shoot it and i thank cayugad for all his answeres and recomending this flinter to me or else i would have been completely lost lol