RE: to all you summit viper, xl, 180 users
Not all of the Summit stands are sit and climb. Some of there bow stands don't have the bar across the front. I personally prefer to sit facing away from the tree, so the 180 would be of no use to me. I have the Viper Classic which is steel instead of aluminum, about 26 lbs, but it is lighter than my old stand. If I was going to get a new one, I would go with the Goliath for the extra room (I'm 6'5", 290). I can't see where you would go wrong with any Summit stand.