What I was getting at is everyones magnum crazy ideas. It seems like all the magazines, shows, etc all are saying you "need" a 300 WSM to kill a deer. 2 seasons ago I had 4 antlerless tags for the january extended deer season, all 4 of those does were shot with 1 shot from my AR15, which is chambered in 223. Sorry if I offended anyone, but if I did maybe they were offended because they aren't "capable" of making clean shots.