my dad was up near chicago the other day, and one of his buddies called him and told him to look at the side of the road at a certain point.....he said a deer was hit, and "You are gonna be sick!" My dad was like, ive hunted for about 3 decades, ive seen alot, thinking about the most gore he had seen or whatever. Anyways, when he went by the spot, there was a bucket of a digger picking it up, and he said all he could see was the rack....and it was HUGE....he said that it had 12-14 points and prolly about 18-10 inches wide.....granted....he did feel sick.