Oldhootowl.....please don't get too far behind. I mailed an order yesterday and need ASAP....season opens in 3 weeks! BTW....thanks for all your interesting posts and info.....and your patience in dealing with these issues. After reading all posts in all threads concerning slick tricks, I believe you have a good product and want to try them. I realize there are other good products out there.....with my inexperience, I'm looking for all the help I can get in selecting them.