stubblejumper, Thanks for the info. So, with that in mind, balanced with what redallison said, I need to keep the load in my 30-06 probably close to 60 grains of 4350 when using the TSX to avoid a slower bullet. Could a 165 grain be a little more effective than a 180 due to increased velocity with this bullet? I know the trajectory would be better. I dont have loads of cash and wanna buy a box of these things, I might start with the 165's. Let me know what you all think. EJ