I agree Jaydog. One of ourclub members had a ph meter and we used it and if was way off on 7 of the 8 fields we tested it. How it got the one right I'm not sure. I used to really like their camo but the experiences I have had with their seed etc have borderline pissed me off enough to where I won't buy any of their stuff anymore. It appears thye have the philosophy"anything to make a buck".