I agree. I buy Remington 'Gun Club' ammo at our club for $3 and change per box and find that they pattern as good as ANY other ammo. So for Trap and Skeet, they work perfect and I can't hardly reload for that kind of money. Especially when you consider that lead shot is out of site and going up in price every time you buy a bag. The hulls may not be any good for reloading but at this price, who cares, and I personally think that's where the cost savings is for Remington, cheap hulls.If they came in all shot sizes, I'd buy them for hunting too.