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Old 02-08-2008, 09:27 AM   #1
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Hello, i recently purchased a shotgun, and would love to get into duck and goose hunting. I was wondering if any of you guys new of a site or could tell me how to properly set up decoys for ducks. I have searched the forum over and over and cannot find the info i need. Also do any of you have an opinion on nitro steel shot. I was given four boxes of nitro steel. They are 3 inch bbs, 2s, and 4s. Would these work okay for ducks or should i look for a more premium load. Thanks HoytMT
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Old 02-08-2008, 11:10 AM   #2
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Nitros work just fine. I don't mean to leave you hanging Hoyt, but I've got a few things to do around the house and work to get to... I'll get back with you later tonight and explain a bit. I'm sure someone else will as well. A lot of it is situation dependant, and most of it is just experience. A few golden rules to follow and a few generalizations to consider.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:42 PM   #3
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alright bro here are a few general rules to follow with decoy spreads.

First, it all depends on if you are hunting diving or puddle ducks. I am a puddle duck hunter, so thats what I'm going to lay down for you.

A lot depends on the species you are going to be targeting as well. In upstate NY, you are predominently going to be shooting mallards and blacks. So you will want to use... you guessed it... mallard or black duck decoys. When you are scouting.. pay attention to the NUMBERS of ducks you see. If you are seeing small groups of 4-8 ducks... then you want to take that into account. If you are seeing rafts of 20 plus... then you have just entered a numbers name. I have gotten groups of 20+ and even 50+ to come in to less than 20 decoys, and in some cases less than 10. But generally you want to keep it as realistic as possible. If the ducks aren't used to seeing 100 decoy spreads... they sometimes will shy away from them... and in the late season... they get used to typical numbers... groups of 12 to 30.... so its either go big or go small.

When it comes to placing deeks... you can go one of two ways. One is to have the wind directly at your back... ducks HAVE TO land coming into the wind. Even a 3 MPH breeze.... Must face into the wind to light. Don't place your decoys too close together. Ducks only huddle up when they are scared. You want to keep your drake to hen ratio together... even when you look at a group of 80 ducks on the water resting and feeding, they are just made up of bunches of 2 to 4 ducks. Usually early in the year you'll see two or three drakes following one hen. Later in the year when the ducks have paired off... its more likely to see even numbers. So don't put out all drakes on one side of your spread and all hens on the other. Try and make it seem like each drake is following one hen. I like to leave one hen towards the back or out in the middle a bit all by herself. That would be the "Judas duck". Back in the day, it would acctually be a LIVE mallard duck, shackled and tied off. Those days are long gone (illegal since the mid-30s). The concept still works well. the other way (and this works well if you have three or more people) is to set up with the wind quartering away or crossing... That way the ducks will have to come in to land broadside of everyone, so that nobody gets left out. Up to you.

What I like to do is bring a rangefinder with me... because judging distance over water is tough to do. I don't want my decoys any farther than 40 yards from me... else the ducks may light wide of my range. All depends on the situation. I hunt a lot of beaver swamps, marshes and beaver dams built in marshes that form tidal ponds. I tend to put my decoys in the small pockets where I DON"T want ducks to land... and leave a big open hole in the middle... thats where Judas goes, and thats where the ducks will land. No matter what the set up though... you have to leave the ducks room to light.... or they won't.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:07 PM   #4
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Thanks alot for the help. Very useful information and much appreciated.

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Thanks Swampcollie. You gave me some tips that I didn't know.
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Old 02-08-2008, 10:21 PM   #6
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I don't know what the land and water situation is around the upstate NY, but out in the Midwest, with lots of picked small grain and corn fields in the fall, we love to field hunt ducks and geese from earliest light, until they have settled down back on water again and sometimes the last couple hours in the evening.
It's a whole different experience that requires scouting and finding where geese and ducks are fields feeding the last hours or so before dark the evening before. Geese and often ducks (e.g Mallards, Widgeons, Pintails)that are grouped up during migration will often be feeding in picked grain the last of theevening light, go to water at night for safety and come back out early the next morning to the same spot they fed the evening before.
So, if you see either geese and/or ducks of numbers field feeding in the evening, with a plat book you can probably buyfrom your county offices you can call the landowner and explain who you are and ask if it would be alright to set up decoys in the field for the next day's hunting. If you get permission, you've got to get up and out there at least 1 1/2 before shooting time, set up your decoys with your headlights if necessary or lamp of some sort. Figure out which way they'll be coming from (as stated earlier they always land into the wind). We set up a couple dozen of Canadan Goose silhouttes you can get pretty reasonably, a dozen goose shells and Mallard shell decoys off to the side or in back a bit away from the goose decoys. Leave enough openings where you'd want them to come into land in range for you. Get and learn to use both goose and duck calls. Some calling to them to give then confidence, but not so much as to make them nervous.
Ducks will almost always be flying first. You'll often hear wings overhead even before you can shoot. Just enjoy that. Be sure you're covered well with whatever is in the field around and if need be put a few goose silhouettes right aroung you to help cover you. Wear either camo mask or camo stuff made to put on your face to break up that. If you're white, Ducks/geese can spot the white face from hundreds of yds. away. Keep you movement to a minimum. When the birds are well within range and hopefully setting their wings, have a designated person to call out loud when to shoot and watch that you're not crossing over each other's lines of fires. Safety first.
Your Remington Nitro 3" are just fine for ducks and geese. I'd only use those #4 on closer shots over decoys and probably only early part of the season. As weather turns cold and both ducks and geese add heavier down, I generally go no lighter than #2's and all time favorite for later season are BB's. BB's will penatrate through the feather and bodies and break goose wings even out to 40-45 yds, if hit solidly.
Also, be sure you get out and practice as often as you can with clay targets different types of shots you'll likely see in the slough, lake or field. You have to be able to hit them once you get them in range.
Anyway, whatever way you end up hunting waterfowl, if you do your hard work and preparation beforehand and each day you out, you should have a great time. I didn't see you mention if you have a retrieving dog. But a good water retrieving (e.g Yellow/Black Lab) you've training adds so much to the experience along with someone else you can enjoy the experiences with.
Good luck. Let us know how it works out for you.
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Old 02-09-2008, 09:45 AM   #7
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thanks man. I can't wait till septemper.
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There are many ways to put out a decoy spread. I personally use a double O set up especially for puddler ducks, with a nice size opening in the middle of the 2 Os, its not very complicated and easy for a begginer. As said before make sure you keep your decs spread out and jus try different things the for experience you get the more you learn. GOOD LUCK!
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