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Old 03-11-2008, 04:29 PM   #1
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Default New TO Hunting.. Question 1

Hey all.

Im new to hunting in general.

Noone ever taught me anything about hunting at all even whitetail hunting.
In 7 years I only managed to catch two big does.. =( So this is still a learning excperience for me.

My question is , What is the difference between steel shot and lead shot , why would you use one over the other and after skinning the bird, is it safe to eat if i use lead ? Or is there a way to get all the shot out ???

Should I aim for a head shot ??? (which would be impossible)

Why should I use steel shot for ducks and lead for pheasant , quail, grouse , chucckar ???


What do I need to know about upland ? Do i just walk in a field near a stream and hopefully kick one up and then take shot or is there any calls or lure ??

What shot should I use and Why ?? People say one shot in the begining and then another shot later in season .. ?

I hear and read lots of things but i want to know why ....

Im planning to use 870 Express. with a modified choke. and a #5 shot but i dont know why..

Sorry for sounding like an Idiot but here in New York City , you dont get much info about this when youre growing up. Its not part of your street ghetto education.. lol
City boy with a country soul.


Any help is appreciated guys and goodluck this season. !!

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Old 03-11-2008, 06:55 PM   #2
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Wow, thats quite a bit for one post, but I'll try to give some answers.

Lead shot vs. steel shot: The difference is what the actual shot pellets are made of. Lead shot is made of lead, or lead based, and steel are made of steel -or steel based. Generally any non-toxic shot can be called "steel shot" though its more correct to say steel shot is non-toxic shot. Since it was discovered that lead can be toxic to wildlife, steel is required for some applications. Migratory waterfowl -ducks, geese, coots, mergansers... -are federally regulated and require non-toxic (steel). Federal waterfowl production areas also require steel, so do many public hunting areas of some states. It won't be to long and all lead shot will be banned on all public lands, and eventually on all private lands, too. You will have to check the local laws where you hunt to know what/where lead or steel is allowed.

As for safety of eating; yes it's safe. Just don't eat the lead shot if at all possible. Most every pellet that hits a bird leaves a bruised area around the hole, and is easy to see and pick out. But it's not really that many birds that have lots of pellets in them. You will see what I mean when you shoot a few birds. It's pretty straight foward.

Head shots; I wish I could head shoot all the birds I shoot. I do try to take head shots when I can, but not when I first started. Then it was just about hitting the bird at all. Some guys may have more skill than me, but I wouldn't believe everyone if they say they only make head shots. That's usually what I focus on for my shots now, but hitting them in the head every time is not possible. Remember the shot spreads out when it leaves the barrel, so the pattern will often hit many parts of the bird.

The only time I use steel shot is when it's required by law. Lead pellets have a higher density than true steel shot, and that gives more energy per equal size pellets down range. Therefore they kill better. Some non-toxic shot is blended with tungsten or bismuth and that gives it a higher density than even lead, but for me they are cost prohibitive. Usually several times the cost of lead or steel. That's why I prefer to use lead whenever I can.

As far as what you need to know about upland... You never really stop learning. My advice there is to seek out someone (hopefully someone on HNI will offer) to tag along with. If you are ever in MN, I would be more than happy to bring you out to give you an idea. Personally, I won't even go out without my dogs (or some good dog at least) thats the way I prefer to hunt. But basically yeah, if you cant find someone to go with, just get out and go. Pick a target species, get on your DNR websight, hell even call a warden, and start finding where that species is, then go and stretch the legs out. Actually calling a warden is a damn good idea. They will know some public areas with birds, and can advise you of any special laws/considerations.

I use 4 shot all season long for pheasants. Might switch to mod choke for late season, but generally 1 1/4 oz federal premium work all year long for me. The reason some people switch things up later in the season is that often later birds are more educated by hunters, and often flush farther away. Also, they seem to have much thicker feather layers that help deflect some of the energy of the pellets. So heavier pellets or heavier chokes are often used.

The 870 would work good. Like I said, I prefer 4 shot (but lots of people like #5 too) and an improved choke.

One last thing, not to pick on you, but most people don't say they caught their game. Usually they use words like shot, killed, stuck, took, or the new vogue word is "harvested" The only time I hear the word "catch" is people who know about fishing, but nothing about hunting, or trappers, or some of us that catch live hogs.

Good luck, hopefully you can find someone to take you along, thats really the best way to learn.
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Old 03-12-2008, 11:36 PM   #3
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mnbirddog pretty much summed up the difference between lead and steel. I would make a few recommendations before entering the field.
1. Join a hunting club. It could behunting oriented or dog oriented. You can usually make friends and gain tips. 2. Attend a hunter safety course. This will not only teach you about handling firearms but will often teach you the type of game, recognition of the game, and regulations.
3. like mnbirddog says, speak to local Fish and Wildlife department. Do not go by what the counter person at your store where you bought your license; I had instances where they didn't know beans about what I needed. I had to tell them.
4. Do a few rounds of skeet shooting to sharpen your skills. You are going to have to learn when to lead (thatsaiming ahead of your target) and how much. The range master can usually give you instructions.

Also, what gauge is your 870? One thing about the express is you have to keep is clean because it is susceptiple (sp?)to rust. Other than that, get to know your gun. You could also go to a plantation orgame farm/ranch and practice there. Learn to unsafety the gun as the birdflushes, but that is what you will learn in hunter safety class.

#5 shot would be lead? I've never used #5 shot; its been always #7 1/2,#6 or #4. In steel, #6,#4, the largest shot I can get like #2 or BBB. You may want to consider the length of the shell, 2 3/4" or 3" magnums. Dram weight and ounces.
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:34 PM   #4
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Lead is illegal for waterfowl hunting (ducks, geese, perhaps others) and is often illegal on public lands, such as reservoirs, even when not hunting for waterfowl, for example hunting rabbits. Read your regulations carefully, because in some cases it is unlawful to have lead shells in your possession even if not loaded in the gun.

For hunting game it is valuable to have some high level understanding of the habits and lifestyle of your quarry. For example, some animals have daily routines that it is well worth your while to be informed about so you can hunt at preferred time intervals. When I used to hunt pheasants I always hunted at first light and last light, although I don't know particularly why. Maybe the birds were in the cover where I was trying to kick them up rather than elsewhere eating? Anyway, understanding daily patterns of going to water, food, and cover areas will be valuable to you, and you will schedule your hunting outings around these patterns. You can learn about these habits and patterns by reading just about any decent hunting book on the game you are interested in hunting.

The best advice is to enlist with a teacher, an experienced hunter who is willing to show you the ropes. I think most hunters enjoy having hunting companions and sharing -- I will not say showing off -- their knowledge with others. What gets sticky is access to hunting land. Sometimes hunters are not keen to share access to their favorite hunting spots, or maybe they just don't have permission from a land owner to bring lots of guests with them.

For much upland game hunting, an improved cylinder choke might be the better choke to use, if your gun accepts screw-in chokes. On the other hand, the modified cylinder choke is not a grave handicap.

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