This is pretty cool. I've got into looking for arrowheads in the last year. I've been making a few trips out walking and looking for a few hours. Anyway, in one spot I have found these 2 arrowheads and tonight I looked them up. Turns out they are called Clovis Arrowheads and are 15,000 years old. How cool is that? The good news is that this same area now has turned up 2 of them, hopefully its willing to give up a few more.
I just thought I would share this with you guys.
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Yeah, as we were looking over the weekend in some new spots we also pondered how they actually kept up their supply.
Little deer, leave your sister alone, quit pestering her, go out and make some arrowheads before I tan your hide.
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I started making mine last year. Very difficult. In fact, more difficult than bow making. Who know how old they are. Those look very recent. No way to really date stone like that. Knappers I know are making such good repro's thats its impossible to know if its 15K or last year.
You are right if you were to buy on the open market today. However, being that these are coming out of the ground, in the middle of no where, it's hardly likely they just recently got left there.
Also, I learned this morning they predate archery by 11,000 years.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Also, I learned this morning they predate archery by 11,000 years.
I have gotten into these discussions with some "experts", and finally asked them, "how do you know that". You can't date rock like this. Eastern indians used clovis fluted points for arrows. Got alot of handwaving and ended up with the paleotologist saying "he read it".
I can't imagine them using these for arrowheads. They are just too big and heavy if you think about shooting them. The smaller one I found last spring. Even when I found it I figured it was for a small spear not an arrow.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Also, I learned this morning they predate archery by 11,000 years.
Bingo. Like BC said, it's next to impossible to date stone points, at least using today's "technology". When something worked, someone else copied it. You can go to pretty much any of the larger traditional tournaments/gatherings/rendevous and find knappers that can generally tell you as much or more about a particular tribe or point than any geologist could, and then he/she will proceed to make one using the same tools--and it can't be discerned from an original.
My dad has a big collection of stone points. My brother and I want him to sell them, because it's getting harder and harder to authenticate them. My dad knows where most of these came out of the ground (he used to hunt them), but prove it? Good luck.
Btw, atlatls supposedly pre-date archery, but not by a whole lot. Large stone points were used--my best friend killed a whitetail not a month ago using a large stone point than an expert knapper made for him.
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I understand what you're saying about selling them. I do agree, knappers can produce these items fairly quickly. However, when it comes to dating these items, it's done via archeologist and not geologist. We've spent millions if not a billion dollar over the years on digs all over the world. They methodically map out and dig historical sites and catalog every little item they find. Dont discount these folk's life work. It's not that difficult to align the information from digs all over the place. It comes down to what new items are found at the different levels of the dig. For instance, we know when pottery was introduced in societies. It is harder to pin point the exact time hence the periods are done now in thousands of years verse even down to hundreds of years. When you get into say the last one to two thousand years ago, they can add the hundred market.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Where do you guys think the knappers get all their information from? It's unlikely not to many of them are over 100 years old.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
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