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Old 09-21-2002, 02:46 PM   #1
 
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I am shooting a 64" Longbow (49@28). My draw is 30 and I am shooting a 31" arrow. I have tried 2018 and 2016 and they are showing to be stiff. I was shooting a 125 tip, I went to a 145 and it help a little but it is still showing stiff.
Any ideas on what arrow I should try.
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Old 09-21-2002, 03:13 PM   #2
 
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Hi Creek,

I'm new to bow hunting and this topic is of interest to me. How did you determine that your arrows were too stiff?
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Old 09-21-2002, 04:30 PM   #3
 
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if a 64" bow is 49@28, and you're pulling a true 30", you're probably getting at least53/55lbs out of it. I doubt very much that a 2018 is too stiff at 31". You should look at how you're shooting this bow, how close to center shot it is, your anchor and nock point, ect.
What do you mean "showing stiff"? Is it shooting to the left? or nock left? Have you tried bare-shafting with this bow?
A rule of thumb for spine is: for every inch of arrow over 28, add 5 lbs+5lbs for Fast Flight string. Using this rule, you'd be about right on with a 2016 0r 1920, but it's unlikely the 2018 is too stiff.
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Old 09-21-2002, 05:13 PM   #4
 
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I agree with John, I doubt they are too stiff, I shoot about the same draw weights and draw length and 2018's and even 2020's are on the weak side. I'd suggest bare shaft tuning and find out what is going on....O.L.
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Old 09-21-2002, 06:52 PM   #5
 
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O.L. how are you coming with the new, &quot;short&quot; design? It so happens I sold a couple of bows and have a little $ right now.....I pull 29&quot;<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Old 09-21-2002, 07:36 PM   #6
 
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John, So happens I just got the first one shooting today! Did a DF curve, smooth out to 30&quot; with a 17&quot; riser and the bow 58&quot;. Looks like it's going to be a shooter.....O.L.
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Old 09-21-2002, 07:59 PM   #7
 
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I am right handed and my nock is shooting to the right. I thought that this was a sign of a stiff arrow. Am I wrong?
If it is weak then what should I do?
Thanks for the help.
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Old 09-21-2002, 08:50 PM   #9
 
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Creek, Nock left and right causes more confusion than any thing when tuning. Few if any of us can shoot consistant enough to shoot a bare shaft without some left or right kick. The trick is to seperate what is tuning caused from what is form caused.

First, set your bow up EXACTLY the way you are going to shoot it, as any changes you make after the fact changes the tuning. Including tip protectors, bow quivers, string silencers, ect.... Next set your brace height where you get the least noise and vibration. Don't set it inside the bowyers range and call it good....Set it low, shoot 4 or 5 shots, twist up the string 4 or 5 twists, shoot it again...Keep doing that until you find that &quot;sweet spot&quot;. Measure it and record it so you can duplicate it as the string stretches and or you change the string.

Tight nocks can cause a bunch of problems and I'll bet is part of yours. Your arrow nocks should fit only tight enough to keep the arrow on the string when pointed down, lightly tap the string and it should fall off. Any tighter causes problems.

At this point, you are ready to start tuning. Take 3 or 4 fletched shafts and 3 or 4 identical bare shafts. Get back at 10 yards or so, and start shooting all the arrows at a spot. DO NOT PAY ANY ATTENTION TO NOCK DIRECTION. What you are looking for is where the arrows group. If the bare shafts group below your fletched shafts, your nock point is too high and vice versa. If you lower yopur nock point a lot and they still shoot low, that means your nock point was too low to start with and is kicking the tail of the arrow off the shelf. Styart way high (1&quot and bring it down slow.

If your bare shafts are grouping left of the fletched shafts, your arrows are too stiff, increase point weight, or use a thinner side plate. If they are grouping right, your shafts are weak, decrease point weight, shorten your arrows, or increase side plate thickness. Once the bare shafts and fletched ones start grouping together, you are getting close. Back up to 20 yards...Start over.. In a well tuned set up(and if you are good enough), you can group bare shafts and fletched shafts together out to 40 yards or more.

Some things that cause confusion....Changing more than one thing at a time. If you do that, and things get better or worse, what caused it? You don't know, only change one thing at a time. Going from a 2020 shaft to a 2117 is not one change, it's two, you changed arrow spine and centershot because the arrows are different diameter. If you make a single change and things get worse, put it back and go the other way.

Shoot lots of arrows and go by the &quot;average&quot; between them. A bad release or other form problem can cause a stray, ignore it, never base changes on just shooting one or two arrows. By shooting lots of arrows and looking at the average, you are seeing the tuning problems, not your form problems.

Good luck and hope that helps. If you want even more details, go to this link and go to the &quot;tuning&quot; page: http://www.bowmaker.net Good luck...O.L.
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Old 09-21-2002, 09:57 PM   #10
 
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Thanks for your help. I will start on your suggestion. When I first started shooting the 2018's I thought they were right on. The more I shot (2 months) the more the nocks started going to the right. I also noticed that the shelf material was wearing on the outside edge. I started shooting the arrow with the hen feather in but this did not help. Do you think that I need to change my nock on the string or am I having feather problems. I feel like I am shooting the same as I always have. But it could be a form problem. I went back to shooting my recurve and it seems to be shooting the 2018 okay. (53@28)
I did try changing the brace height and I do feel like I have it set right.
Once again thaks for your help.

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