I posted last week that i purchased a new Patriot Dually, 30", pulls 74 lbs. Ive been waiting on the 30" mods and they finally came in and we got em installed. First thing we realized was that my Gold Tip 5575 at 27.5" with 125 grain tips are not enouph arrow for this bow. We tried to paper tune and got every kind of tear that there is, low right, high left etc. He handed me a heavyier grade carbon express arrow that 27", he put a 75 gr head on it and it shot bullet holes, so I need new arrows. Any suggestions here? I want to stay fast but I also want to hit em hard. Im thinking a heavy spine arrow in the 475-490 grain range at 27.5". That being said, would I benafit from a lightrer head? I want to use 125's but not if my flight is gonna suffer. Also, it shot 296 fps with a 403 grain arrow. The bow has a string loop, bowtech string dampners, and a served in peep. Also has like some kind of eliminator buttons on it? There are two both under the string loop and definitley installed by bowtech. Do I need these or can I cut em off? Does that speed sound about right? Also, i noticed every Bowtech in the shop had cable dampeners(look identical to the string dampners). But my bow didnt have em. I asked him about it and he said he dont know maybe it was cause you have a dual cam bow and all those bowtechs are single cam. Said he would contact Bowtech and find out, but I know better. Should I have the cable dampners? Thanks for your help
I went through the same thing, i ended up switching from the Gold Tip 55/75 w/ 125 grain heads to Carbon Express Terminator Hunters 60-75 with 100 grain tips. They are grouping very well for me.
at 26" arrows w/ 100 grain tip mine work out to 456 grains and FOC of 8%. Yours would be 27 " so add 12 grains, arrow weight would be 468 grains, FOC would change slightly also.
I would shoot a lot of compinations of arrow weights and head weight to see which combination gives the bow its best performance as in Speed, KE and momentium.
As to the eliminator buttons yes they come standard if you dont want them you can either cut them off or slide them down the string to the string silencer.
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i noticed every Bowtech in the shop had cable dampeners(look identical to the string dampners). But my bow didnt have em. I asked him about it and he said he dont know maybe it was cause you have a dual cam bow and all those bowtechs are single cam.
Cable dampners are aslo a stock item on Bowtechs even the dual cam models
Your bow should have had one installed. The pro shop didn't take it off by any chance?
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1st off.. why are you shooting 27" arrows out of a bow w/ a 30" draw? I assume that means that you're using some sort of overdraw? Overdraws will magnify any slight wrist movement.. making your awesome shooting machine into a very critical mess. So I'd take the overdraw off immediately and replace it w/ a standard style rest.. which most have a slight overdraw built into them... which doesn't really hurt.. it's when you get the rest behind your wrist that you really notice it. Also with today's carbon arrows.. there's really no need for an overdraw to get the weight down.
I shoot an '03 Pat dually at 70# and 29" draw... I'm currently using 28" 7595 Gold Tip Pro Hunters. These shafts work very well w/ my setup. They weigh right at 400 gr w/ a 100 gr point, GT insert, GT nock, 3 4" feathers and a 6" arrow wrap. You could easily get this arrow in the 450 or so range w/ a 125 gr point and vanes instead of feathers.
And all '04s came w/ the Bowtech hush kit.. which consists of the limb dampeners, string silencers, and cable dampener.
Edited.. sorry I was wrong about the eliminator buttons.. and didn't realize you were talking about the cable dampeners.... those aren't included on the duallys.. I believe this is prolly due to how close the cables sit to the string.
1st off.. why are you shooting 27" arrows out of a bow w/ a 30" draw? I assume that means that you're using some sort of overdraw? Overdraws will magnify any slight wrist movement.. making your awesome shooting machine into a very critical mess. So I'd take the overdraw off immediately and replace it w/ a standard style rest.. which most have a slight overdraw built into them... which doesn't really hurt.. it's when you get the rest behind your wrist that you really notice it. Also with today's carbon arrows.. there's really no need for an overdraw to get the weight down.
I couldn't agree more. Any sort of overdraw which puts the tip of your arrow behind or level with your wrist simply magnifies any existing problems.
Also, why so concerned with speed??? Any good carbon arrow will be plenty fast enough out of any decent bow. It's not like you're going to be shooting faster than the speed of sound or anything, do the deer is going to hear any noises the bow / arrow make regardless. Speed is not the most critical factor but is one of the most hyped.
I'm shooting good quality carbon arrows at 12.7 gr/inch. I put 125gr tips on them and they seem to group fine. I'm having a small problem tuning the bow completely, but that's the rest's fault, not the arrows from what I can tell.
As long as you are accurate and shoot enough weight to get your kinetic energy in a huntable range, speed is of little importance except for bragging...
Just my $0.02!!!
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Its not a true overdraw but the MZE does have some overdraw built in. Are you sure about the eliminator buttons? Every new bow I have bought over the last four years have had these, Matthews, hoyt, and now Bowtech. I could be wrong but i really think these are a stock item from the factory. I was just wondering if ppl just slide em away or cut em off. Are they the cause of any speed loss or are they doing some sound dampening? Also, twice you guys referred to my cable dampner problem as a single item. I am not talking about a Cable Guard dampner, I have that. I am talking about two dampners that go on the cables. They look identical, and i am sure they are, to the string dampners. In other words all the bowtech bows in the shop have 4 string dampners(2 on the string, 2 on the cables). Mine has nothing on the cables. Im trying to find out if Im supposed to have em. Thanks again
The eliminator buttons do come stock from the factory and your bow should have came with the cable rod dampner also. Maybe someone took it off but it could have been forgotten at the factory, though not likely.
Don't look past the aluminum shafts for the most K.E.!!! Just try some 2315's or 2514's and see if they don't shoot like a dream and make your bow very quiet. Speed is not all that different in trajectory out to 30 yards or better,,,, where 95% of the hunting shots are taken.
none of the duallies i've seen have the string silencers on the cables like the single cams.
also, stick with the gold tips, just get the 7595 shafts, i've been shooting the 7595 pro hunter shafts out of my 72# 29" for about a month and realy like them.
the buttons do come stock from the factory. i cut mine off can't tell any difference in noise nor really speed (gained 1fps 5 shot avg.)
Also, why so concerned with speed??? Any good carbon arrow will be plenty fast enough out of any decent bow. It's not like you're going to be shooting faster than the speed of sound or anything, do the deer is going to hear any noises the bow / arrow make regardless. Speed is not the most critical factor but is one of the most hyped.
I'm shooting good quality carbon arrows at 12.7 gr/inch. I put 125gr tips on them and they seem to group fine. I'm having a small problem tuning the bow completely, but that's the rest's fault, not the arrows from what I can tell.
As long as you are accurate and shoot enough weight to get your kinetic energy in a huntable range, speed is of little importance except for bragging...
The only uses & research for speed I am aware of; are the time it takes an arrow to reach a kill preventing string jumping (wound an animal), distance guesstimation, & trajectory.
With proper fletching & tuning the difference in the loss KE would be small.
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