Arrow weight

[DoninVa]

I am shooting an Outback at 64 lbs. with a 27.5 draw with a Muzzy zero effect rest. I have been shooting Carbon Express 200's and Beaman 400's with good flight and speed but feel both of these arrows are a little on the light side. Durability has also been an issue. I have had several to get broken in my target due to impact from other arrows. I have been thinking about going to 2215- 27" alums with 125 grain points. I would like to set one pin between 20 and 30 yards and use these shafts but am not sure if one pin will work. I am not big on speed but would like to get a happy medium between speed, KE and keep range estimation errors to a minimum. What do you guys think. Don

[Arthur P]

I am not big on speed but would like to get a happy medium between speed, KE and keep range estimation errors to a minimum. What do you guys think.

I think you're a wise man.

I haven't checked the charts, but I'm sure you have. I'd suggest going to www.bowjackson.com and finding out how much that 2215 would weigh, set up like you want it, on his arrow weight calculator. I've found it to be very close. Then, when you get that, you can estimate what kind of speed you'll get. If you know what speed you're getting now with your current arrow weight, you can figure about 4 fps for each 25 grains difference in arrow weight to estimate what the 2215's will do.

Then go into the ballistics table program. If you scroll down, there will be a link to Andrew Middleton's graphing trajectory calculator. Go into that, plug in your numbers and let the program show you what to expect. For a 1-pin setup, set the sight zero to 27 yards. That will show you how much mid-range rise you'll get and how much drop you'll get at 30. You don't want more than 4" on either end for a 1-pin setup.

Obviously you'll be working with estimations and what you actually get could be faster or slower. But it will give you some kind of useful information to help you decide if you want to take the plunge.

[pdq 5oh]

Don, take a look at the new PSE radial weave arrows. They're much tougher then the old stlye. A 300 spine with a 125 gr head would weigh around 400 gr. Your 200s, with a 125 gr head, would be a little on the weak side from my experience, assuming they spine close to the PSE 200s. I think with this setup, you'd be in good shape to shoot with one pin.

[Matt / PA]

If you are alreadt experiencing arrow durability issues with carbon from hitting your shafts while practicing then if you don't change the way you practice it's not going to get any better with aluminums that's for sure........you'll just have a quiver full of bent and more likely creased arrows.
Aluminums are terrific consistent arrows but they suck for group shooting, so if you go that route start shooting at different spots.

If you want a little more weight and wayyyyy more durability then jump up to a little heavier carbon arrow like Carbon Express Terminator Hunter Selects and throw an easton uni-busing in the back to protect from rear end hits.
I have a dozen CX300's made up with Uni-bushings and G-nocks and I think I have had to replace every single nock because of group shooting but not a single cracked or busted shaft. The bushings have repeated nicks in them from hits but all the shafts are just fine and dandy.
With no protection in the rear carbon arrows are sitting ducks. All of my all carbon arrows get made up with easton nock bushings.

[DoninVa]

Thanks Arthur, I am not sure where I'm at right now but setting the pin at 27 yards and shooting to check drop, I think, will do the trick. I will procure 4- 2215's and run some tests. I don't care if I'm at 230 or 330 as long as I get the right drop. Thanks alot for the idea. Sometimes the answer is right in front of you, but you can't see it. Don

Thanks guys,I will consider getting a few different carbons that are heavier to try also.

[DoninVa]

Hey MATT/PA, I can find the carbon express terminator hunter select but only listed in 45/60 and 60/75 and not in the 300 size. Am I looking at the wrong arrows? Don

[Arthur P]

Don, why they do it is a mystery to me, but Carbon Express uses a different sizing system on the Terminators than they do with their other arrows. You're looking at the right arrows.