aluminum vs. acc

gromage1 · 02-26-2002, 08:24 AM

Back when I first started shooting my Reflex Extreme my shop set me up shooting 2413 xx75's mostly for speed , after shooting it for I while I switched to 2315's and noticed quite a bit of difference in noise , can anyone give me any info on how the ACC's shoot noise wise,I'm considering switching I'm just not sure it's worth it if I'm going to have the noise problem with the weight of the ACC's. I'm shooting 65-70# and 29" arrows. Thanks

gromage1

Edited by - gromage1 on 02/26/2002 09:44:07

Edited by - gromage1 on 02/26/2002 10:00:30

keeter · 02-26-2002, 10:59 AM

my acc's shoot very quiet, i shoot 3-60/340 with 60 lb matthews ultra max. mine are 27 1/2 inches long use 4 inch 3 vane helical fletch. mine shoot 241 f/s with 100 gr point. they are a bit pricey so maybe i would just have one or two made to see if they fit your needs or are what you expect. you will probably be sending them faster than i am so proper shaft selection will be the biggest concern.

moonge · 02-26-2002, 12:33 PM

I love my ACC's, they are great & it will take a heck of an arrow to ever make me change. remember that anytime you go with a lighter arrow you will increase the noise level from your bow.

gromage1 · 02-26-2002, 01:38 PM

Yeah Moonge,
I noticed a big diff in just going from 2314 to 2315 , I was just curious if the cobination of materials had any effect on the noise level out of the ACC's ,they would be quite a bit lighter for my setup.

gromage1

OHarcher · 02-26-2002, 03:45 PM

I have shot ACC's for years right at 5gr per pound from up to 70# bows and have never even thought they were noisy.They are a fantastic arrow (IMHO).

moonge · 02-26-2002, 04:36 PM

hey gromage1 the ACC's seem to retain a lot of the energy from the bow as such they still won't be a quite as a 2315 but they won't be that loud either. I shoot at 70 lbs with the 3-60 shaft & can say they are not that loud when you use string leeches & limb savers on your bow. I have shot aluminum that was close to the same weight & they seemed a little louder, could have just been the accoustics at the time so take it as is. good luck...like i said I will be shooting ACC's to hunt with for a long time to come unless I really like the easton Redline shafts.

bugsNbows · 02-26-2002, 06:17 PM

I have hunted exclusively with ACC's for several years. They are, IMO, the very best shaft available. I refuse to switch (NOTE: I have tried other carbons and I did start with alums). ACC's all the way!!!!!

bugsNbows · 02-26-2002, 06:18 PM

I have hunted exclusively with ACC's for several years. They are, IMO, the very best shaft available. I refuse to switch (NOTE: I have tried other carbons and I did start with alums). ACC's all the way!!!!!

JeffB · 02-26-2002, 08:04 PM

For years I have bought dozens and dozens and dozens of other brand carbons(both IC and pultruded styles) trying to find something that *overall* will match or beat Easton A/C/C's. You name it, I've tried it: CAE, CI, CT, AFC/CX,GoldTip, Beman,Nitro's,and I'm sure I've forgotten a few...And I've come to the following conclusions

1) There is no other IC carbon shaft that is as consistent in spine as an A/C/C...Only the new Blackhawks claim that kind of consistency, but I can't seem to get any info whatsoever from the company no matter how many times I request it.

2) The IC shafts that ARE tight in spine, weight and straightness are just about as expensive. For example: I bought a dozen C/X 3D Select 300's several weeks ago. By the time I added in G-nocks and Redline uni-bushings to fit (so that they are durable as A/C/C's from nock end impacts), they cost a whopping $10 less than ACC's w/ G-nocks and inserts. 3 of those ".001 straightness over a 28" span" CX's had highly noticeable wobble when cut to 27": hardly within advertised tolerance.

3) The IC carbons are not so significantly more durable that I'm willing to sacrifice consistency to use them. Pultruded shafts are more durable, but they have their own quirks/problems as well.

4) By using letter codes you are able to weight match A/C/C's dozen to dozen (and they are extremely tight within the dozen as well). Some IC shafts have great tolerances *within* a dozen, but I've seen variance of up to 20 grains average from one dozen to the next of the same size and grade of IC shaft.

5) A/C/C's have TIR (total indicator reading)guarantees. Only some of Easton's other IC carbons (Evolution and Redlines)and Aluminum have that guarantee.

6) The majority of A/C/C's come in better than advertised in straightness tolerance.

7)I have yet to own a bow that shot as, or more consistently accurate with any other carbon as it did w/ A/C/C's.

8) A/C/C carbons (like XX alum), are available in more spine sizes to custom tailor spine to fit your particular setup. IC carbons have way too much grey space in-between spine classes. You may luck out, you may not. Just because an arrow papers well, does not mean it's spined correctly for the best accuracy..it only means the shaft is flying straight.

9)I always end up having A/C/C's in my quiver in the fall...

So, you think I like A/C/C's or what?<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

I will say that some brand IC shafts are quieter by design even when equal finished arrow weight is taken into consideration. Different styles of "layup" in the shaft react differently noise-wise. I've found Beman ICS Hunter's quieter than anything, finished arrow weight to finished arrow weight.

EDIT: seems I cannot count..the number AFTER 4, is NOT 4! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

JeffB

Edited by - JeffB on 02/26/2002 21:10:49

Winger · 02-26-2002, 08:17 PM

Hey Jeff, you should have put that under a new thread, "JeffB's long and boring arrow report" ..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Seriously, would be a good thing to add arrow reports as well. Good post.

Winger