Arrow selection Q

Austin/WI · 08-17-2008, 05:37 PM

Hey everyone, I was able to convince my father to bowhunt with me this year again. We've been shooting most of the summer and shooting well. But we both think it's about time for him to get some new arrows. He's been launching some old Easton XX75 2117's out of his old Golden Eagle Hawk. DW at 70# and DL at 30". He was thinking about going to carbons for the durability aspect of them. The magazines I've looked with the arrow selection charts point towards something around a 340 (for Eastons at least). Does this sound about right?

Also, in doing that bit of research the charts show that the 2117 may have been a poor arrow choice for his draw length. The charts I've looked at say something around a 2317 or 2514. Now can someone explain to me the differences between these three choices, maybe some pros and cons as well?

Thanks everyone!

Phil from Maine · 08-17-2008, 07:01 PM

I am shooting with my bow set at 77lbs. right now and I am shooting Easton xxx75 2419 with it. I am also using 145 grain broadheads. The heavier arrows give me better stability in shooting. There for giving me the hit I want to make. Before going into the heavey wieghts my bow was shooting them with a fishtail wip. The back of the arrows were going crazy on me but I cured that by shoowting heavier wieghts. So with 70 lb draw wieght I would agree with the chart saying 2117s were a poor choice in arrow wieght. For as far as carbon I would stick with the aluminums to keep the wieght up.. Good luck with whatever you decide. Also i have heard about some carbons shattering when shooting with heavier bow wieghts, perhaps a flaw I am not sure.

Austin/WI · 08-17-2008, 07:23 PM

Thanks Phil, I was originally trying to push him towards Alums again because of the price alone - but I like the point you make with the weight factor.

Can someone also shed some light which arrow choice may be better between the 2317 or the 2514 and then why? Thanks Guys!

BGfisher · 08-17-2008, 08:01 PM

Austin, I would look seriously at a 300 spine, but with the older bow the cams may be less aggressive and the 340 would work. Still, it's pretty hard to err n the side of stiff with carbon arrows.

How did the 2117's work. My experience is telling me they are grossly underspined.

Phil from Maine · 08-17-2008, 08:58 PM

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How did the 2117's work. My experience is telling me they are grossly underspined.

I can only speak of my exprience and that is what is mentioned above, I had very little control with the spinning out and or wobbleing on me. Heavier bows need the wieght with heavier arrows in my opion. That's about allI can say about it, and that my friend comes from shooting them..

OHbowhntr · 08-18-2008, 12:12 AM

A 2315 should be about perfect. The spine on such a set-up should be in the .340 range, which means 340 arrow ought to work just fine, but your always safer with Carbon Arrows to be too stiff vs. too weak, that is for sure. I shoot a 340 spine arrow at 29" and 71# and get good arrow flight and BH's tune right with my FP's. I take the same arrows and shoot them out of another bow that is 62# and 29.5" and they shoot well out of it also, but do occasionally seems to be a little over-stiff on the spine.

Austin/WI · 08-18-2008, 08:15 AM

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How did the 2117's work. My experience is telling me they are grossly underspined.

To be honest, I have no idea [&:] They never flew super nice, his groupings weren't quite as consistent as mine were and that is what made me start the arrow search.

Alright, quick review here. It seems the consensus for carbons would be a 340 or 300 arrow, correct? For Alums a 2315 maybe a 2317? I will admit I'm horrible with arrow stuff so I appreciate the help guys! Thanks!

BGfisher · 08-18-2008, 09:44 PM

Austin, I haven't shot aluminums for almost 20 years, but I do recall the 2117 being spined for about 53-58# at that length. And that was with round wheels and energy wheels, not these aggressive cams today.

Carbon arrows are nice in that one shaft can cover a greater range in bow weight, usually about 20# versus only about 5# for an aluminum shaft. Do your homework. Every arrow manufacturer has charts to steer you toward the right spined arrow. Learn to use them. This stuff isn't rocket science.

For instance, if you look at a chart and it shows a certain arrow is very near or at the top of the weight range it might be better to pick the next shaft size up. Same goes if there is an overlap of two shaft sizes.

Austin/WI · 08-19-2008, 08:18 AM

Thanks BG, what you say is very true. Arrow selection is, I admit, not my strong point in archery however. I have been trying to learn how to read the charts and really the only thing that is still hazy is how the arrow numbers are designated - for example the Easton website shows the best arrow choice may be a 2317 or 2419 for my fathers bow setup, so what is the difference between the 2317 and 2419. From what I see on the charts it appears that the 2419 is heavier and has the stiffer spine, correct?

mobow · 08-19-2008, 10:27 AM

The 2317 is 23/64 in diameter, and.017 thick. The 2419 is, obviously, 24/64 in diameter, and.019 thick. So, the 2419 is gonna be quite a bit heavier and stiffer.

As far as carbons go, I think I, too, would err on the stiff side and go w/ the 300.....depending on how long the arrows are.